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    actually probably the main reason MS is doing this is in the june 2003 Linux magazine.

    lo and behold an ad for Windows Services for Unix 3.0, microsoft is realizing that server 2003 may not be enough, so why not be able to say, use all of your current UNIX machines, software and stuff plus added compatability though server 2003. hedging their bets so to speak
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    Microsoft has always adverstised WSU in positive ways. According to MS it helps to ease migration from one platform to another (Windows). It has also stated that WSU is supposed to allow Windows to interoperate with existing Unix environments.

    Also thanks for the reminder. I need to pick up that issue of LM.

    Note: Print mags are good for those of us who don't have wireless laptops and TabletPCs or desktop with internet connectivity in the bathroom.
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    So...what happens if you're the lucky winner?
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    You pay 12 years of back-pay that the Linux community owes SCO?
    (Or whenever the SCO code was inserted)

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    but will SCO win?
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    Not if you can get a good enough lawyer (and actually, you probably wouldn't need a great one -- the holes in SCO's claim are gapingly large; see the OSI's position paper on the issue that I've linked to in another thread about this).

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    Microsoft and SCO against Linux?

    I don't know if this is the right forum for this post, but...

    Over the past few months, the SCO Group, developer of SCO Unix, has been trying to sue certain corporate Linux users, claiming that modules of SCO Unix have been used in the development of Open Source Linux programs. One of these users is IBM. So far, SCO's lawyers haven't been too successful.

    This week, however, Microsoft announced that it has signed a licensing agreement with SCO.

    "Many Linux fans and industry analysts see an ulterior motive. They don't believe Microsoft has any fear of running afoul of SCO's intellectual-property rights, thus it didn't really need to license Unix from SCO. They see the move as a way to cast doubt on Linux, which poses the greatest threat to Microsoft's hegemony. Linux is now No. 2 in the $50.9 billion market for server computers, with a 13.7% share to Microsoft's 59.9%. "This creates fear, uncertainty, and doubt about Linux licensing," says software analyst Rick G. Sherlund of Goldman, Sachs & Co..."

    You can read the full story at:
    http://linux.ittoolbox.com/news/dispnews.asp?i=93859

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    I'm not surprised Microsoft is doing something like this. I don'tkeep up to date on this little battle. But I think this wil get Microsoft and SCO nowhere.

    I also heard SCO's stock rose for some odd reason

    "Microsoft?!? ooh buy buy buy!"
    ahh screw the list

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    "Microsoft?!? ooh buy buy buy!"
    Ha, ha! Yeah, it really makes you wonder what investors are thinking.

    BTW, I heard on CNBC, that CEO Ballmer is actually selling 4 million of his shares in MS, because he wants to "diversify his portfolio."

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    Originally posted by Atealtha
    I'm not surprised Microsoft is doing something like this. I don'tkeep up to date on this little battle. But I think this wil get Microsoft and SCO nowhere.

    I also heard SCO's stock rose for some odd reason

    "Microsoft?!? ooh buy buy buy!"
    the stocks are rising because it is an effort by SCO to make IBM buy them out. By threatening this huge lawsuit, the idea is that IBM will see it more practical to just buy out the company rather than spending millions through the legal battle.

    Its a move by M$, as you say, to do nothing more than discourage people from using Linux.

    I have been asking a few people what they think about the open source movement, and whether it can ever become mainstream. Forgetting compatibilty problems and lack of games, the problems are:

    1) Microsoft are so huge a company, and they have such a hold over the market, it may be impossible to shift them.

    2) Open source can never be 'trusted'. If you find a huge bug in the Linux kernel, who do you complain to? who do you force to fix it? who do you sue? I argued that the specific Distribution, but im not so sure.

    for me, point 1 isnt as big of a problem as people realise. Most users arent aware Linux even exists, a lot of people think of them as being the hackers OS and with it all being command line. I posted on my forum about the Palladium chip and other ideas M$ have to dominate the market, and then posted about how i love Linux, with a few screenshots of my desktop. the average joe doesnt know Linux is an option, all of a sudden i had dozens of people requesting more information, and many of them are now duel booting (or have installed on another machine). Linux is free, and a superior product. how do you combat that?

    sorry for going a little off subject, but i thought id post it here whilst its on the top of my head
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    Over the past few months, the SCO Group, developer of SCO Unix, has been trying to sue certain corporate Linux users, claiming that modules of SCO Unix have been used in the development of Open Source Linux programs. One of these users is IBM.
    You got your facts from where? The back of a cereal box? SCO has only filed suit against IBM and it's not because they claim the version of Linux they use contain certain SCO modules. SCO claims that IBM has taken code from AIX (to which IBM licensed code from AT&T which was eventually sold to SCO which was bought by Caldera) and inserted it into Linux. SCO Has sent various letters to corporations using Linux.

    So far, SCO's lawyers haven't been too successful.
    Seeing as how the case has yet to go to court I fail to see on what information you base this claim.

    They don't believe Microsoft has any fear of running afoul of SCO's intellectual-property rights, thus it didn't really need to license Unix from SCO.
    Wow what an innacurate article innaccurate. You don't license Unix from SCO. You license Unix code from SCO. The Open Group owns the Unix trademark.

    The Open Group reminds us: They, not SCO owns the 'Unix' trademark

    Don't trust analysts. They're full of crap. They flip flop even with identical articles.

    the stocks are rising because it is an effort by SCO to make IBM buy them out.
    The stock only rose after MS inked the deal. It does however, make it a little pricier acquisition.

    By threatening this huge lawsuit, the idea is that IBM will see it more practical to just buy out the company rather than spending millions through the legal battle.
    IBM can afford it. SCO can not.
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    Regarding corporate users, what SCO has done is not try to sue them, but sent them a rather intimidating letter suggesting that they might be liable... interestingly, from what I've read, most of the recipients seem to have reacted, at least publically, with amusement.

    If this is an attempt by MS to generate FUD, it just might backfire if SCO has no case. What if a court declares that Linux is a legitimate product? That would be good for Linux, bad for Microsoft. Meanwhile Microsoft's grandiose plans (Palladium, or whatever they're calling it now) and heavy handed tactics (Internal anti-linux memos, phony user testamonials) are continuing to make them seem less than trustworthy. In fact, "Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt" pretty much sums up my feelings about Microsoft to a "T".
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    Originally posted by Disley
    Open source can never be 'trusted'. If you find a huge bug in the Linux kernel, who do you complain to? who do you force to fix it? who do you sue? I argued that the specific Distribution, but im not so sure.
    From The Linux Newbie Administator's Guide by Peter and Stan Klibas:

    Things go wrong on many MS Windows NT machines every day, and
    there are no damages awarded by courts. Read your MS Windows license agreement to find out
    that there is no guarantee whatsoever that ANYTHING will work. Trying to sue would be a
    waste of your money.
    Linux also provides no guarantees, although it is far more secure than any version of MS
    Windows. If you are really security-sensitive , you can use high-security tools built by
    companies that rely on the availability of the source code to design and test their security features
    (e.g., Kryptokom in Germany provides high security firewalls). The "security in obscurity"
    implemented in MS Windows has repeatedly been demonstrated to be a naive approach.
    Here is a quote from David Kastrup, Research Engineer, Bochum, Germany (after the "Internet
    Week", http://www.techweb.com/se/directlink...W19990329S0050):
    "Risk aversion is what dictates you use Linux and other open products, rather than NT. The risks
    with NT are entirely out of your control, and there is nobody you could sue if anything goes
    wrong. Why people still believe the myth that Windows in any form offers any bit of
    accountability "more" than Linux remains a complete riddle to me."
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    I love seeing when n00b's do their homework. Reminds me a little of myself.

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    Well, I hope this entire situation puts Microsoft and SCO into their monetary graves.

    Filing lawsuits against users of Linux is not a fair business practice. No one can really be sure if the code that SCO is complaining about is really stolen or if its just a sly corporate scheme designed to scare Linux users and (more likely) would-be Linux users.



    Have these two corporate giants ever heard of a free market? How can these people be so selfish as to believe that their way is the only way and if you don't follow it, you should be sued into the next existance? How can anyone lay claim to code? Anyone with the required training as a programmer can write code that does the exact same thing as the next programmer's code, and there are going to be similarites if your respective programs are attempting to do the same thing. Its computer instructions, nothing more. They are required for a computer to function. Its like saying you own the patent on the wheel, electricity, air, or water and killing anyone else who posesses or uses it. To make a long story short "licensing" and "patents" and "copyrights" only bog down the advance mankind's technology at the expense of the technology's own users.


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