View Poll Results: Do you think making Linux and MS interactable (kinda) a good idea?
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Yes, this is a great idea
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Yes, it's an ok idea
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It wouldn't hurt
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No, Linux should stick to Linux and Microsoft should stick to Microsoft
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Or just use CrossOver Office
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05-13-2007, 09:14 PM
#1111
the celtic geek
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05-14-2007, 06:32 AM
#1112
They will never sue. That's because spreading FUD works better. They don't have to pay lawyers for a trial they will lose without any doubts. If there were any infringements they will be all over it right now. Meanwhile, I join the chorus and demand as well : show us the code!
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05-14-2007, 08:40 AM
#1113
aNoob
Your link makes for some good reading, but why should they show their code? All they have to do is take any linux code and use it as their own ( because its free for the taking ) patent it and say the linux community is breaking the patent laws. I don't know if you can patent code but the product I'm guessing can be. I'll be the first to admit I don't understand much if anything about this, and I am in know way standing up for microsoft, fact is, I only boot into win to play a game I like, other than that I use only linux. In fact I have most of my family using linux now.
I believe microsoft has taken a large part of linux code/ideas and put it into Vista, (badly I might add) but as long as linux code is open they have the right to use it like it or not. That doesn't make it right, not in the least, but thats how it will be unless we can find a way to stop them.
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05-14-2007, 09:17 AM
#1114
mrrangerman43,
That's not quite true.Or only half true. That piece of code (Microsoft will take and show) belongs to me as well. And I will also sue Microsoft. And like me ,thousands. But to make things clear, the problem is not the code (which you can't patent), problems are mouse gestures or three buttons on the windows you just name it. The problem is that Microsoft can't start such a process because that's what Sun, IBM,RedHat etc just wait. Only IBM can show their myriad of patents (which many,including Microsoft "infringes"). It's like opening the Pandora box and Microsoft knows this.
And to come back to the code, it is not the code written by Microsoft, origin can be tracked without any problems and I can bet this origin is not Microsoft Labs
I'm not here to "stop them", I just say what I believe will happen and that is,as I previously stated, it is extremely unlikely Microsoft will sue anyone using Linux and derivatives because then they have to clearly state which patents these guys infringe . And as we already know ... difficult to stay alive once this box was open.
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05-14-2007, 10:27 AM
#1115
Just as a footnote, here's ZNet's article on the patent issue:
http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-6183437.html
Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?
(No trees were killed in posting this message. However, a large number of electrons were seriously inconvenienced.)
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05-14-2007, 12:17 PM
#1116
aNoob
Like I said above "I don't understand much if anything about this" but I'm sure I will learn more, as I aready have (thank you ) I'm try to learn C and I think as I progress in programming, this will become a more tender subject. As for microsoft, I don't fault them as a buisness wanting to make money, but I do condemn the way they have done it.
Food for thought:
You know the saying "its a dog eat dog world"? well when the last dog has been eaten by the biggest dog, how long before the biggest dog will end up starving to death?
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05-14-2007, 03:41 PM
#1117
If you want to find out "in a nutshell" about everything that's going on I recommend http://groklaw.net . They cover every angle of the assault on linux.
As for me, I think this is the beginning of the "dark years" for GNU/Linux where MS pulls out all the stops. Here's an example....a few years ago there was a distro called Lindows. MS sued them to make them change their name and lost here in the US. Lindows could keep the name. What did MS do? Since the internet is global, they sued Lindows in Finland and other countries around the globe forcing them to either cough up the money for lawyers in those countries, or change their name. Since they couldn't afford lawyers in every country on the planet they changed their name to Linspire.
I think MS is going to be the "Son of SCO"....like a gangster walking into a store and saying "Nice place you got here...it'd be a shame if anything happened to it, like a fire. Perhaps you should buy fire insurance from me."
Scumbags.
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05-14-2007, 05:21 PM
#1118
Originally Posted by je_fro
I think MS is going to be the "Son of SCO"....like a gangster walking into a store and saying "Nice place you got here...it'd be a shame if anything happened to it, like a fire. Perhaps you should buy fire insurance from me."
Well, this perfectly sums it all up.
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05-14-2007, 07:38 PM
#1119
"I think MS is going to be the "Son of SCO" At some point they will resemble goliath with David standing on their chest cutting off the head with a sword.
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05-15-2007, 03:07 PM
#1120
Speaking of Ms... someone should block their ads from showing on just linux.
It's mostly propaganda, with a few facts thrown in to make it seem legit.
- Ryan "Boxxertrumps" Trumpa
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05-15-2007, 03:12 PM
#1121
Originally Posted by boxxertrumps
Speaking of Ms... someone should block their ads from showing on just linux.
It's mostly propaganda, with a few facts thrown in to make it seem legit.
Heh, at least you didn't start a whole new thread for it. This topic comes up about once a month, but there isn't much JustLinux can do about it, and besides if MS wants to support a Linux site who are we to tell them they can't?
If you search the forum for microsoft ads or something you should find all of the previous discussions.
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05-15-2007, 03:29 PM
#1122
For a while i thought those were google ads (micro**** ads are identicle) and with google ads you can block advertisements based on the redirect URL.
So NVM... Thanks anyways.
- Ryan "Boxxertrumps" Trumpa
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06-07-2007, 09:34 PM
#1123
I wonder, though--how did Microsoft convince Novell, Samsung, Fuji Xerox, Xandros, and now LG to pay Microsoft in order to continue using Linux?
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06-07-2007, 10:04 PM
#1124
Originally Posted by nabetse
I wonder, though--how did Microsoft convince Novell, Samsung, Fuji Xerox, Xandros, and now LG to pay Microsoft in order to continue using Linux?
Money talks.
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06-08-2007, 03:14 AM
#1125
I do not believe these companies are paying MS for anything. The agreements are for cross lic. and working agreements mostly covering system interoperablity. Another words MS is trying to slow down future loss of market share. Novell has a large number patents in there war chest as does MS so there agreement is mutually beneficial however both would get strangled by Big Blue in a patent fight. IBM bought a 25Million$ stake in Novell just before the the sco thing started. I guess it pays to know who really owns the Unix Family jewels. MS tried to sink Linux through sco and shot off one of their own testies in the process. As long as Novell has the Unix jewels they have MS and Apple right were they want them and IBM stands at their side with one damn big bat in hand.
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