Arigato

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Originally posted by LinuxGirl:
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Give me a break! Sensei needs to put bread on our table...

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Don't take this the wrong way Mrs. Sensei, but relying on your man to be the breadwinner is not a smart way to go. More than 50% of marriages end in divorce, plus, what if Sensei went lame and was unable to work? I say, it's about time you women got off your rearends and contributed to the family income.

I think I've held back enough and now feel I must put in my two cents. First of all, I think internet.com was wrong in letting Jason go. Obviously, the young man is creative, compassionate and dedicated. I can't believe the idiots in charge let him go. I wish you well in your future endeavours, Sensei. I am certain you will come out on top, land on your two feet, and all those other metaphors that mean you will do OK.

Second, LNO is not just Sensei. LNO is a community. WE are LNO. Unless internet.com pulls the plug, LNO will continue to provide help for Linux newbies and evolve just as any other dominant species evolves. I think I've said enough.

possessky.

are you clueless linuxman??

they "let go" linuxgirl about 1-2 months ago!!!!

if you don't know the whole story , ,you are lookin like an @ss about know :mad:

don't be dissin :cool: linuxgirl :cool: or :D sensei :D

back off dude!!!

take it over to the rants forum and start a new thread!!! :mad:

[ 25 May 2001: Message edited by: FoBoT ]

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<STRONG>More than 50% of marriages end in divorce, plus, what if Sensei went lame and was unable to work?</STRONG>

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More than 50% of the marriages ends because of the IDIOTS men.... If you must know, there weren't that many divorces when women don't work at all. My father's time, they are not as free as we are today and they are more loyal to their women than we are today and that's the fact....

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I say, it's about time you women got off your rearends and contributed to the family income.

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Yeah?? After getting fired a few months before and you are lableing her that way??? What would your wife do if she got fired a few months before and you got fired?? She would gently say ""oh no problem... you can volunteer for your former employer and I will bring the bread to the table""?? Are you freaking out of your mind? What have you been smoking??? :mad:

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I think I've held back enough and now feel I must put in my two cents.

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Everybody is entitled to as many as they want.

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I can't believe the idiots in charge let him go.

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He didn't just let him go. He let him go and asked him to work for him FREE..... Volunteer for FREE.....

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LNO is not just Sensei. LNO is a community.

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A community without a leader is an Army without a commander......

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Unless internet.com pulls the plug, LNO will continue to provide help for Linux newbies

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Yeah at what cost??? They had already said... as long as there are people who wants to work for free, they are willing to keep the site (and its revernue generating ads) for now....

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Originally posted by KevinReichard:
<STRONG>Hi --

There's been some speculation re: LNO -- mostly bad speculation -- and how internet.com plans on running the site. Since I'm the executive editor in charge of the site, I thought I'd put an end to the speculation.

First off, let me assure you that we are not looking at any changes to LNO. The site isn't going away, the BBS isn't going away, and the NHFs aren't going away. I'll be in contact shortly with the BBS moderators about continuing their work. In addition, I asked Jason to continue on as a participant in the BBS, and he declined.

Secondly, we recognize what a vital group of people encompasses the LNO audience, and we have no intention of changing the site. It may take a few days for us to get up to speed, as Sensei is a hard act to follow.

If you have any questions or comments, please feel free to address them to me directly at [email protected].

--Kevin Reichard
Executive Editor, Linux/Open Source Channel
internet.com
[email protected]</STRONG>

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Man, you got guts. You fire the guy then you try to butter up to him by saying he's a hard act to follow. Hypocrite. But hey, your job is safe and sound. No need to worry about the guy who developed the site to begin with. Buy it out from under him, then throw him into the unemployment line.

Get a life man. You took away his creation and you expect him to continue on as a volunteer? Get real...
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Look, All this arguing about whats going on, what has gone on and what will go on is basicly pointless.

Up front, just let me say that I'm as sorry to see Sensei go as the rest of you are, just so you won't get the wrong idea about what I'm posting. I don't like the way internet.com acted in the past week or so.

First of all, I'm taking a guess that nothing you could say to the people at internet.com would let sensei have is job back.

Second, all the speculation about how the evil internet.com employees will change the site and rip its heart out and all that may not be true. Actualy, if this is the way people are going to act from now on, I would say the heart has already been ripped out and the body is just flopping around.

Come on people! What happend has happened! Stop complaing about somthing that can't be changed, at least easily.

Ok...I said it, and now theres one more thing I need to do:
&lt;puts on flame retardent suit&gt;

[ 26 May 2001: Message edited by: Derango ]

hrmph, derango

so are you volunteering to take sensei's place?
you will get flamed very bad if you do
which is why sensei's old duties should be taken over by somebody that works for the company that owns the board

if any of the regulars were to volunteer, they would be ostracized by the rest and the split would still happen

i am not saying there is anything wrong with anybody answering newbie questions here, just that in this case, the heart is portable/transplantable, if you get my drift ;)

&lt;sigh&gt; I was not volunteering to do anything.

I was just pointing out the pointlessness of arguing amoungst ourselves about whats going to happen and eventuly split the board through our arugments before anything we're talking about here actualy happens.

However, in hindsight, I probably should not have posted that...I prefer answering questions to getting into a debate. Ah well...whats done is done.

Sensei and linuxgirl, I wish you happiness, good health and the best of luck. You are truly unique individuals and will always succeed.


Thanks for all you have done,
Joe

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<STRONG>getting into a debate</STRONG>

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sorry, i didn't mean to offend you, certainly, and i would prefer all this peripheral stuff not be in this thread, but I can't move stuff and i can't not respond to some of these comments/questions

if the mod of this forum could move all this extra, "not farewell to sensei" stuff that would be great! ;)

[ 26 May 2001: Message edited by: FoBoT ]

Demn!! Huh!! :( what about LNO??? errrr!!!

-flar-

As Cartman would say:
"I love you guys..."

I will say in defense of Linuxgirl her full potential was never realized at LNO. LNO with what I wanted to do with Linuxgirl could have been huge...

I don't think the full potential was ever realized from LNO yet. LNO still has the ability to be ALOT bigger, but alas...times are tougher now.

I'm still monitoring these Sensei/Jason is gone threads ;)

If some of you really feel your not being heard I suggest you contact someone instead or in conjunction to posting on this BBS. I'm not asking you to save me (i don't need saving :D), but if you feel like you're not being heard, by all means make em listen.

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Originally posted by Linuxman:
Don't take this the wrong way Mrs. Sensei, but relying on your man to be the breadwinner is not a smart way to go. More than 50% of marriages end in divorce, plus, what if Sensei went lame and was unable to work? I say, it's about time you women got off your rearends and contributed to the family income.

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And what would be the RIGHT way for me to take your uncalled for comments???


You don't know anything about what I do or how I contribute to my family's income, so kindly shut up!

[ 26 May 2001: Message edited by: LinuxGirl ]

woot!!

:cool: LinuxGirl :cool:
:D Sensei :D

they are alive!!

Hmm.. yummy.. pie.. Erm, anyway.. G'luck with that job 'n vacation stuff Sensei/Linuxgirl. Shouldn't you be off on some tropical beach sipping down some drink with one of those little umbrellas in it or something? :)

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And what would be the RIGHT way for me to take your uncalled for comments???

You don't know anything about what I do or how I contribute to my family's income, so kindly shut up!

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you go girl !
/me does the finger head move snap thingie.

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<STRONG>More than 50% of the marriages ends because of the IDIOTS men.... </STRONG>

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As you eluded to, this 4 fold rise in the devorce rate happened after the women's movement (60's). I'm not sure if your saing that the increase is because of idiot men, but that would be mostly unfounded (if it's devorce is the fault of both involved, then it would be half the men's fault, hell I don't know). The change is prob mostly because of a change in the attitudes and roles of the sexes. I do find it ironic that Linuxman is encouraging the women movement's independence and linking that to reducing the chance of divorce, a very odd viewpoint. Just for the record I'm all for anybody taking of themselves, but I do reconize that there are cost to changing roles in socity. Nuff about that...

Ever sence internet.com bought this site I wondered how long this arangement would last (Jason working as the administrator). I've been very apathetic about LNO sence the news of Sensei's depature, I just don't like the move. I some what suspect that internet.com wanted the administrator to also be a developer, which I think is somewhat of a short sighted view. I do know that most developers that I know don't have the people skills to administrate a public BBS of this size with the amount of diverse oppinions that abound. I've always had respect for Sensei cause of how he ran this place (regardless of what some have said about my view of Sensei in the past).

Good luck to your Sensei and Linux Girl, hopefully this will turn out to be an opportunity to move on to something better. I with you two the best.

John Stiles Herrington

I just e-mailed the CEO of internet.com... below is my message... I hope other people choose to e-mail too.

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To Whom it May concern:

I am a visitor at linuxnewbie.org and have learned about the "involuntary" leaving of Jason "Sensei" Brietstein. I would like to inform internet.com that I do not agree with this move. I have seen posts at f----edcompany.com about recent financial trouble at internet.com "Rumor has it Internet.com just announced an "optional" work week, next week... the head of HR said the company's "excited" to offer employees the opportunity.
When: May 22 2001 04:02PM " "Rumor has it internet.com just dumped 50 employees. Anyone left?
When: May 17 2001 11:56AM".
I am sorry to hear of the financial troubles of the company, however, I feel that a site such as linuxnewbie.com does need fulltime attention from Jason, as he knows the site best. Jason also has a following at the site, a following that if the BBS is read shows that people will not be willing to volunteer, and several are willing to create a new site, just because internet.com has relieved Jason of his position. Also, many people are currently looking back and noticing that they still own the copyrights to much of the content of linuxnewbie.org they never gave up these copyrights, and many are starting to question if they should inform internet.com to remove their material from the site. I am sure that internet.com has thought this decision through and have chosen Jason carefully... I just thought that internet.com may be interested in what is being said... and I'm not sure if they are listening to what is being said so far... I strongly disagree with the decision made, and I hope internet.com realizes that this site is more of a community than most. Thank you for your time.
Jonathan French

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I hope I didn't go too far... ;)

Wow!!
I wasn't expecting this!

LNO has been an inspiration.

Best of luck for the future Sensei and Linuxgirl and don't let the Bastards get ya down.

After seeing what you have achieved with LNO I think you will do well in whatever you choose to do next.

LNO will not be LNO without you.

May the wind be always at your back.

_Moss

hmmm.....

What do you expect of management types? People who have little power like to use the meager amount they think they have yeah?
That how management type richard over yonder can axe Sensi , proport to be in the process of maintaining the site while the entire show falls down around internet.com's ears yeah? Similar to tobacco companies, oil companies, atomic energy companies, they live in a quasi-pseudo-reality that they think can become real if they get enough good exposure or some other similar sounding yet quilocially fashionable sounding buzz word umhumm?

Let me say good-bye to Sensi/Jason and ask nicely that he not visit my house with chain saw or some equally destructive cutting implement & hockey mask
:cool: Sensi Linuxgirl :cool:

hmmm.....

What do you expect of management types? People who have little power like to use the meager amount they think they have yeah?
That how management type richard over yonder can axe Sensi , proport to be in the process of maintaining the site while the entire show falls down around internet.com's ears yeah? Similar to tobacco companies, oil companies, atomic energy companies, they live in a quasi-pseudo-reality that they think can become real if they get enough good exposure or some other similar sounding yet quilocially fashionable sounding buzz word umhumm?

Let me say good-bye to Sensi/Jason and ask nicely that he not visit my house with chain saw or some equally destructive cutting implement & hockey mask
:cool: Sensi Linuxgirl :cool:

hmmm.....

What do you expect of management types? People who have little power like to use the meager amount they think they have yeah?
That how management type richard over yonder can axe Sensi , proport to be in the process of maintaining the site while the entire show falls down around internet.com's ears yeah? Similar to tobacco companies, oil companies, atomic energy companies, they live in a quasi-pseudo-reality that they think can become real if they get enough good exposure or some other similar sounding yet quilocially fashionable sounding buzz word umhumm?

Let me say good-bye to Sensi/Jason and ask nicely that he not visit my house with chain saw or some equally destructive cutting implement & hockey mask
:cool: Sensi Linuxgirl :cool:

hmmm.....

What do you expect of management types? People who have little power like to use the meager amount they think they have yeah?
That how management type richard over yonder can axe Sensi , proport to be in the process of maintaining the site while the entire show falls down around internet.com's ears yeah? Similar to tobacco companies, oil companies, atomic energy companies, they live in a quasi-pseudo-reality that they think can become real if they get enough good exposure or some other similar sounding yet quilocially fashionable sounding buzz word umhumm?

Let me say good-bye to Sensi/Jason and ask nicely that he not visit my house with chain saw or some equally destructive cutting implement & hockey mask
:cool: Sensi Linuxgirl :cool:

mmm.....

What do you expect of management types? People who have little power like to use the meager amount they think they have yeah?
That how management type richard over yonder can axe Sensi , proport to be in the process of maintaining the site while the entire show falls down around internet.com's ears yeah? Similar to tobacco companies, oil companies, atomic energy companies, they live in a quasi-pseudo-reality that they think can become real if they get enough good exposure or some other similar sounding yet quilocially fashionable sounding buzz word umhumm?

Let me say good-bye to Sensi/Jason and ask nicely that he not visit my house with chain saw or some equally destructive cutting implement & hockey mask
:cool: Sensi Linuxgirl :cool:

mmm.....

What do you expect of management types? People who have little power like to use the meager amount they think they have yeah?
That how management type richard over yonder can axe Sensi , proport to be in the process of maintaining the site while the entire show falls down around internet.com's ears yeah? Similar to tobacco companies, oil companies, atomic energy companies, they live in a quasi-pseudo-reality that they think can become real if they get enough good exposure or some other similar sounding yet quilocially fashionable sounding buzz word umhumm?

Let me say good-bye to Sensi/Jason and ask nicely that he not visit my house with chain saw or some equally destructive cutting implement & hockey mask
:cool: Sensi Linuxgirl :cool:

mmm.....

What do you expect of management types? People who have little power like to use the meager amount they think they have yeah?
That how management type richard over yonder can axe Sensi , proport to be in the process of maintaining the site while the entire show falls down around internet.com's ears yeah? Similar to tobacco companies, oil companies, atomic energy companies, they live in a quasi-pseudo-reality that they think can become real if they get enough good exposure or some other similar sounding yet quilocially fashionable sounding buzz word umhumm?

Let me say good-bye to Sensi/Jason and ask nicely that he not visit my house with chain saw or some equally destructive cutting implement & hockey mask
:cool: Sensi Linuxgirl :cool:

Hey Linuxman! It's probably not too late to say you're sorry. I think what happened is that you fell into the abyss of ignorance and landed mouth-first on both of your feet.

Carefully extract both feet (left one first, then the right one) so as not to break your dentures, then say:

"I'm very sorry for my misinformed, sexist comments. As a man of the new millennium, I ought to have known better than to echo the sentiments of men three generations ago who thought that a woman's place was in the home. I hope that I am forgiven."

By the way, women are now allowed to vote...(in Canada, anyway).

Hey Linuxman! It's probably not too late to say you're sorry. I think what happened is that you fell into the abyss of ignorance and landed mouth-first on both of your feet.

Carefully extract both feet (left one first, then the right one) so as not to break your dentures, then say:

"I'm very sorry for my misinformed, sexist comments. As a man of the new millennium, I ought to have known better than to echo the sentiments of men three generations ago who thought that a woman's place was in the home. I hope that I am forgiven."

By the way, women are now allowed to vote...(in Canada, anyway).

Test.

ok guys....we know what internet.com did was ****ty.....but its over. Screw that damn company. We dont need them...abandon this place already!
www.linuxnewbieboard.org
--the new home....

Linux would have kicked my *** a long time ago without his site. Good luck.

Linux would have kicked my *** a long time ago without his site. Good luck.

:(

i wish this thread would get fixed :rolleyes:

I've been a lurker now for a couple of years, but without this forum the way it is I would not have my hobby. I got brave enough to do a fresh install of RH 7.1 and set up a firewall, web and mail server without help from my VMS-expert hubby ;)

What I'm getting to, is that most of the successes I've had configuring and understanding Linux have come from LNO, and I hope that Sensei's absence doesn't change the only place I felt comfortable as a newbie :)

Thanks!
karanull