The MAIN "SCO" (rant) thread (Please post in here)

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Originally posted by Satanic Atheist
What about Slackware though? That uses BSD style init. Is it immune from this SCO case?

I know it has a rudimentary capability to load SysVInit scripts, but is it a sufficiently different form to exclude it from this stupidity?

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I never completely finished my LFS system, but from my understanding, the way init scripts are set up has little(or nothing?) to do with actual code.

I think I remember reading that the 'code in question' was in Linux(the kernel), not GNU/Linux(the Operating System).

It's about friggin' time

While loosely covered, it think it's about time the media started to examine SCO's claims against the GPL. Unfortunately the media has failed to counter this argument many times. In case you're not certain let's look at...Perception v Reality

SCO's Perception:
If the GPL is ruled to be invalid, and illegal under copyright law, everything would become public domain and they could continue doing whatever they want with the code (including continued distribution).

Reality:
If the GPL is determined to be invalid and illegal, all works return to the original copyright holders (contributors to those works actually lose their rights as they were given rights under the GPL's right to modify, unless the copyright holder chooses to share under a joint copyright (this is covered in copyright law)). SCO would then face NUMEROUS lawsuits from the copyright holders.

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Originally posted by RWiggum
I think the key to shutting their mouth is the fact that they released a Linux distro. Assume that their claim is, in fact, true and the kernel is full of code pulled directly from proprietary "Unix" sources. If they released a Linux distro under the GPL, they essentially blessed the open source release of their "intellectual property". If they did it themselves, they can't exactly go whining that IBM ripped them off.

An analogy - I leave my house unlocked with a sign out front that says "House is open. Take what you like." I come home and everything is gone, but I clearly gave everyone permission to clean me out. Well, I find out that the richest man in town has my throw rug. Simply because he's the deepest pocket around doesn't mean I can sue him for theft. I gave everyone permission to have something.

So, it's irrelevant if their code is in Linux - they gave it away freely, so it doesn't matter how it got in there. Their suit is as stupid as it would be if Richard Stallman sued IBM for using gcc. Like someone else said, they could have done something a decade ago but didn't - because they are waiting on a deep pocket to buy them out.

Another thing that gripes me is their harping on "we own Unix". They act like they rewrote history just by buying out some old trademarks. If I bought the rights to the name "Daimler-Benz" it doesn't mean I could claim I invented the automobile. They got some moldy old licenses and trademarks that have been diluted over the past 35 years, now they're using the recent wave of "intellectual property" publicity to try to cash in on the greed.

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I totaly agree with this!

Okay my company was one of the few companies that got a threatening letter from SCO. The upper management restricted the use of Linux and don't want open source used in the company. I want to try to convence them that it is BS but I am running into a lot of pesmissem and red tape. Is there any Linux distro that is uneffected by this lawsuit? (Yes beside SCO's Linux) I am theorizing that freeBSD or openBSD is not effected along with different distros of UNIX, like solaris and hp-ux.

I looked online and I didn't find what I was looking for.
-Doron

well, i think their claim is only on 2.4 kernels so if you get an old version of any distro you could tell your company that they're in the clear and convince them to upgrade (or do it behind their backs) later. or, yes, you could move to another *nix but thats never as fun as going to linux :)

as far as i know, any of the BSDs aren't affected *yet* by SCO's lawsuit. you could give freebsd a try

Moving this to /dev/random

The BSDs are okay. They're not affected by the SCO lawsuit.

SCO actually said that they are going to go after BSD eventually, but it's a crock of sh*t. And I thought that SCO made a UNIX, not a Linux. They helped with Linux, and that's why they're ful of crap. ARGH! I'm getting angry at them now! They do not own everything, and definetly not open source. People wrote stuff themselves. All the GNU tools are safe from SCO, unless they decide to make up more junk. But you could install an older version of the kernel or use GNU/Hurd.

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The BSDs are okay. They're not affected by the SCO lawsuit.

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SCO is trying to lay claims to BSD surrounding the removal of certain copyright notices.

They announced during hearings that they would be making ammedments to their complaint within a week (which came and went).

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SCO actually said that they are going to go after BSD eventually, but it's a crock of sh*t. And I thought that SCO made a UNIX, not a Linux.

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Please try to keep up. SCO (The Santa Cruz Operations or oldSCO) made contributions to Linux but never actually released a distro of their own. The current SCO (The SCO (pronounced skoh) Group) was formerly known as Caldera (getting into all the Inc, Systems, etc would be a waste of my time). Caldera bought SCO's UniWare and Unix divisions. The Santa Cruz Operation is now Tarantella and Caldera is now the SCO Group. Caldera did have their own Linux distro called OpenLinux.

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All the GNU tools are safe from SCO, unless they decide to make up more junk.

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The SCO Group isn't attacking the GNU (atleast not the system but they are attacking the GNU Project and the FSF politically). It's beef is with Linux, the kernel.

SCO avoid conference wedgie!!!

SCO shies from French Linux invasion -The Register

As an aside, the reader who sent the original link said the conference floor plan had the SCO booth wedged in between IBM and Red Hat. It's probably best that this did not end up happening. We doubt there would be enough room for all the lawyers. ®

This really sucks, they had a lot of money channeled to them by Microshaft and they seem to do this to hurt the Linux community, by threatening companies such as the one I work for thier use of linux.


The one thing I learned in coperate america you don't do whats best for your company or you department. You do things to cover your arsh. We go with Sun Solaris and HP-UX to "CYA". They say they are supported well, but I kind of find it hard to get someone on the phone that knows more than I. The internet is a great source for learning and with boards like this, they make it even more helpful. I get really irritated when I look up something on google about solaris and have a lot more info Red Hat or other linux distros come up.

Though some good news is we are going to test out a HP distro of Linux, since they said they would protect their users. From any possible lawsuit against SCO.

Upper management knows jack about what happens in opperations, they don't know how much money they are spending on redundent software which is also produced by the open source community. They want a stupid paper that has a guranty that couldn't go as far as I could throw it.
-Doron

Another thing the corporate bosses like with brand name software is that they can fire you today, post a want ad looking for someone else with a Sun, HP, etc certificate, and have responses right away. They haven't had much experience with RedHat certificates, Suse (do they have certificates?), or Linux. That will come in time.
An analogy is that they can replace a Westinghouse table lamp incadescent light bulb with a Sylvania incadescent lightbulb and be 99.9% sure it will work. Whereas, they are not so sure about some new flourescent table lamp bulb from "Greensource". The fewer new things means the fewer new problems means less stress, keeping the profits up, and getting the end of the year bonuses (which also means less stress at home).

SCO's stock price is totally news driven...check this out...
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=scox
(12-18-2003)

What did I miss? I guess some institutional investors are getting in on the action.......look at todays volume vs. average volume.

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Originally posted by je_fro
SCO's stock price is totally news driven...check this out...
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=scox
(12-18-2003)

What did I miss? I guess some institutional investors are getting in on the action.......look at todays volume vs. average volume.

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it'll tank again after they attempt to show the court the "infringing Linux code" ;)