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dkeav.webhop.net/scripts/fah.tar.gz
extract and place on a floppy or usbdisk, plug into a xp machine and run fah.bat, you must know the administrator password so no cheating you sneaky monkies, get permission or dont do it
the installer will copy and install FAH into %PROGRAMFILES%\FAH and install F@H as a background service
besure to edit the client.cfg file to get the credit or else the machine you add will upload as foobar (36480)
open in notepad only on windows, or vi/nano/whatever in *ix
have fun
PS: windowskey +r a:\fah.bat :p
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dkeav, dkeav2, whatever you're calling yourself (forgot you're password? :)) is it possible to get a version that'll run off of a USB stick without installing to local?
so i can fold at school, when i have access to one of the computers... WinXP boxen, fairly powerful actually... i would have to set it up w/ no deadlines WU's but still....
it may help me a little.. :)
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I'm in, I think.
I guess it takes some time before your userid shows up in the team list.
After I convinced my fingers to push the enter key, after I typed in ./FAH502-Linux.exe, I got this. As you can see, it didn't connect to the assignment server right away.
After that, the "Finished a frame"s have been incrementing since early this afternoon.
(I don't understand, exactly, this in the output:
[19:17:29] Working on Unit 01 [March 25 19:17:29]
[19:17:29] + Working ...
My clock is set ok and I started around, ok, probably, 13:19:00. Maybe that's GMT. I'm in Texas.)
Anyway, does all that look normal in the txt file?
This machine is a PIII, 866Mhz with 1GB RAM running slackware 10.0.
Thanks...
...just finished frame (32)...
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Yes, your name doesn't show up in the teeamlist until you have finished folding your first protein.
Well, your f@h seems to work properly, but your project is rather "weird". I get an output like those on page six on this thread where it say what core it uses and which protein it's folding.
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Originally posted by Parcival
Yes, your name doesn't show up in the teeamlist until you have finished folding your first protein.
Dang.... Around 18 hours and I'm only up to frame (48) and there are (400) frames in this 'work unit'?
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[19:17:29] Protein: p1131_L939_K12M_355K
[19:17:29] - Run: 372 (Clone 68, Gen 0)
[19:17:29] - Frames Completed: 0, Remaining: 400
[19:17:29] - Dynamic steps required: 5000000
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It's gonna take a few days, eh?
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These proteins are kinda complex and it's time consuming to do what they want to do with them. If it were fast and easy it probably wouldn't have become a distributed project like it is right? I just hit 20,000 and that's been an average of 3 machines folding constantly since mid December and a couple other machines folding a few hours a week. It definately takes time. Wanna fold faster? Add more machines! :D
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Originally posted by ions
Wanna fold faster? Add more machines! :D
That's the plan!
Just bought a new UPS and a KVM. I have 3 older machines just sitting around. Thought I would hook 'em up over in the corner and let 'em rip! :cool:
Just curious about another thing. OK, I downloaded the FAH file and then started the executable with the "./", and now it's off and running on my slack machine. This morning we had some big thunderstorms roll through. If we had lost power and my UPS kicked in, how would I gracefully stop the FAH processing until the power was restored. Ctrl-C would seem to be the only option there to stop it. Or, I guess, open a new terminal and do a shutdown. Maybe that would gracefully terminate the FAH process, eh? And then, of course, I assume that, once restarted, it would pick up where it left off ??
Thanks...
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I just use C-c to stop it. But I don't do that very often. It's pretty bright and figures out where it was when it last ran. It's a pretty well written non-obtrusive piece of software. You do have to start it again of course unless you add it to your start process.
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morphius yea just go to folding homepage and download the console version of the client, put it in a folder on your jump drive and double click when you run it, during the initial config you might change the update interval to something like 5-10 so you dont lose 15 minutes worth of data when you yank the disk, i tested this before hand works fine, i can give you a sample client.cfg if you are not sure of what options to use
as for the dkeav2 thing, when i left jl.com i was pissed at the mod situation, and locked myself out, i guess i could resume my old account if the password was reset for me by a mod
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Originally posted by bs_2003
If we had lost power and my UPS kicked in, how would I gracefully stop the FAH processing until the power was restored.
A "killall FAH502-Linux.exe" will do the trick.
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I'll help
You got me convinced...
I have 3 300mhz boxes and a atholon 1700+ laptop just stting around colecting dust...
I would love to help, where exactly do i begin? :)
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Re: I'll help
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Originally posted by blight
I would love to help, where exactly do i begin? :)
You should begin by checking the software that comes with your distribution, chances are high F@H is already included, so you can nicely install it. Then you have to run the configure script to set your options, pick a username, punch in your team number, etc. Finally, you execute the bad boy and leave it running. :D
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Re: I'll help
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Originally posted by blight
I would love to help, where exactly do i begin? :)
Also, take a look at je_fro's signature:
Put those spare cycles to use! Join the Justlinux folding@home team! Team #36480 Join Now!
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Well, i have added more machines and I am passing everyone!
I must have 15 CPU's crunching away now.
I have surpased Hayldric for good now i think, and Cerf, who started this thread is now falling behind too!
What do I win?
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overtake me and cs.lmu.edu and you win a bozo button
allow 6 weeks for delivery (hey im broke, give me a break)
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heh...
The whole point of this is to arrive at the "Holy Grail" for biochemistry/medicine. The ability to predict structure from sequence data alone is what we're after. It's easy to get a protein sequence for a molecule of interest, but to get the structure (so you can BEGIN to think about function) takes a long time and lots of luck using techniques like X-ray crystallography and NMR.
What do I win?
Potentially a lot!
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je_fro, SHHH!!! ;) ;)
they think there is a bozo button in it for them!
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Originally posted by happybunny
I must have 15 CPU's crunching away now.
What do I win?
For hubris? A raspberry.
:p <Pbbbbbbbbbttttttttttttttt!>
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:D
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MUHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHA
your all in big trouble NOW!!!!
IM BACK!!!
:D
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Hmm, yeah, now that I see your avatar I remember who you are. :)
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Originally posted by dkeav
MUHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHA
your all in big trouble NOW!!!!
IM BACK!!!
:D
/me hides.
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Quote:
Originally posted by dkeav
MUHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHA
your all in big trouble NOW!!!!
IM BACK!!!
:D
We have not properly been introduced, I am Cerf, and you are?:)
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Thanks, dkeav :)
i can just copy the client.cfg from my WinXP box at home, cant i? or will i have to make a new one jsut for the jumpdrive?
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Originally posted by Cerf
We have not properly been introduced, I am Cerf, and you are?:)
Well, it looks like he is some sort of Marylin Manson taken freshly out of the fridge. :D
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Nudging this thread back toward folding... ;)
I came across this article, from 2002, but it's still interesting and I assume, since then, the process has improved:
http://techreport.com/etc/2002q4/fol...t/index.x?pg=1
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Originally posted by ions
Yay me!
Hit the 20,000 milestone.
Me too! Won't be long before I overtake you :p
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Yeah should happen soon. :( Hmmm I'm maxed out at this point with no way to retaliate. I'll find a way before you get too far ahead. /me shakes his fist at retsaw....Although with the strength of several of the other newcomers it won't be long until we're both overtaken! :eek:
I think we're over 50 producing members now too. We have 56 members but there's some deadwood in there. Yay us!
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i give ions half the credit for cs.wiu.edu, since it was his rampant whoring of F@H that made me do it
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You'll do as I say bi...! I'm Rick James! :p
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so how long have ya'll been folding?
I have been doing it for only about 10 days and am racking up some fast numbers.
i have an advantage, i think. I am in charge of our VMWare environment and can secretly build Guest OS's to fold on. I'm gona build a 2 CPU box tomorow to add to my totals.
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Originally posted by happybunny
so how long have ya'll been folding?
I have been doing it for only about 10 days and am racking up some fast numbers.
i have an advantage, i think. I am in charge of our VMWare environment and can secretly build Guest OS's to fold on. I'm gona build a 2 CPU box tomorow to add to my totals.
No wonder your gaining so quickly:mad:
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For those who missed it...(like me :D)
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Hmm, after reading the article I slowly begin to grasp why they need such a huge computational power: they are using a Monte Carlo design combined with cluster analysis... these guys are crazies! (probably only matched by those who compute the whole thing) :D
And yet we are still folding at 470K, I'm really curious if we could fold at 370K if there are enough boxes running for a year. :cool:
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Originally posted by ions
Yeah should happen soon. :( Hmmm I'm maxed out at this point with no way to retaliate. I'll find a way before you get too far ahead. /me shakes his fist at retsaw....Although with the strength of several of the other newcomers it won't be long until we're both overtaken! :eek:
Yeah, maybe I should build a new dual-Athlon64 box to try and keep ahead of these newcomers. ;) Although I probably could scrape together the money to do that, I can't really justify it as it'd have no other use than for folding and I don't really have much of an income at the moment.
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Slow but sure:
PC1 - 204 out 400 frames
PC2 - 63 out of 400 frames
PC3 - 54 out of 500 frames
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Originally posted by Parcival
Hmm, after reading the article I slowly begin to grasp why they need such a huge computational power: they are using a Monte Carlo design combined with cluster analysis...
From my limited understanding, Monte Carlo is actually the _least_ computationally expensive method they could have chosen. Around here we usually sample 10-20 million states, and that takes about 3 hours on a 15-node P-III cluster.
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speaking of cluster, we got bored at work and are playing with openmosix, i have a 8 node p4 setup and testing balancing but having some issues with the network
when we get it all lined out its going to be moved to a 40 node p3 lab on weekends :)
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When running F@H on a cluster does it distribute a single protein fold across the entire cluster or, do you just run multipal clients on one machine and each of the clients workload is transfered to a differnt node?
I've wondered that for a while....:confused:
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I believe that it is multiple instances of the FAH program
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Re: sort of...
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Originally posted by je_fro
From my limited understanding, Monte Carlo is actually the _least_ computationally expensive method they could have chosen.
Technically this is true, yes. As there is no way (or at least none within acceptable range) to compute the whole population of proteins one has to extract a representative sample. The Monte Carlo method is one way to do it by randomly chosing the proteins we run our tests on out of the whole crowd of proteins there is. Hence the method reduces the computational expenses, yes.
However, it also has a major weakness: uncertainty. Who's telling you you aren't just being lucky and compute the sample of proteins that proves your theory right while any other sample would have proven it wrong? That's right, the confidence interval does. Now my problem is that I don't understand enough about the biology behind it to figure out what sample size is required to reach a satisfactory confidence interval.
Furthermore, it surprises me they are useing the randomized method at all. When I started folding I believed this research would be a lot more theory driven which would allow to compute a very small yet scientifically meaningful sample. Well, I guess that's just the bias in me speaking depending on my scientific background. We psychologists deal a lot with very abstract hypothetic constructs, so we extensively rely on randomized data and have a hard time to imagine folks looking at more "real" objects of investigation have to do the same as well. :)