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When you get your internet connection going, try this
you may also want to scroll through the page, I found it very helpful!
Justbill
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I'm thinking of upgrading from Mandriva to Fedora Core 5 myself, especially with everything that's going on with Mandriva right now.
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FC5 is the leader of the pack at the moment.
I know Red Hat family has a big audience but I am not comfortable with the above statement.
Already got FC2 to FC5 installed but my FC5 was the first test 1 version so for the sake of it I downloaded the Bordeaux version just came out and installed it in an empty slot of hdc56 in my second hard drive.
Installation took 30 minutes as I recorded my steps. Booted first attempt as I put Grub inside hdc56 and have another Grub in MBR which has
Code:
title Empty in hdc56
chainloader (hd1,55)+1
ready if I put any OS in hdc56.
Problem 1 - It picked "nv" for my video card. Only 75% screen displayed and no mouse pointer. No problem just do a ctrl+alt+backspace to drop to the command line but it didn't work. I had to do ctrl+alt+F1 to edit xorg.conf and reboot. The "vesa", which works for all other distros, put right the screen and mouse pointer.
Problem 2 - I still don't know why the Red Hat family runs the "fdisk" that truncates all partition above the 15th
Code:
fdisk -l
Warning: omitting partitions after #15.
They will be deleted if you save this partition table.
Disk /dev/hda: 300.0 GB, 300090728448 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 36483 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/hda1 * 1 122 979933+ 6 FAT16
/dev/hda2 123 244 979965 6 FAT16
/dev/hda3 245 366 979965 6 FAT16
/dev/hda4 367 36483 290109802+ 5 Extended
/dev/hda5 367 609 1951866 82 Linux swap / Solaris
/dev/hda6 610 1217 4883728+ 83 Linux
/dev/hda7 1218 1825 4883728+ 83 Linux
/dev/hda8 1826 2433 4883728+ 83 Linux
/dev/hda9 2434 3041 4883728+ 83 Linux
/dev/hda10 3042 3649 4883728+ 83 Linux
/dev/hda11 3650 4257 4883728+ 83 Linux
/dev/hda12 4258 4865 4883728+ 83 Linux
/dev/hda13 4866 5473 4883728+ 83 Linux
/dev/hda14 5474 6081 4883728+ 83 Linux
/dev/hda15 6082 6689 4883728+ 83 Linux
Warning: omitting partitions after #15.
They will be deleted if you save this partition table.
Disk /dev/hdc: 300.0 GB, 300090728448 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 36483 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/hdc1 1 122 979933+ 1b Hidden W95 FAT32
/dev/hdc2 * 123 730 4883760 b W95 FAT32
/dev/hdc3 731 3162 19535040 93 Amoeba
/dev/hdc4 3163 36483 267650932+ 5 Extended
/dev/hdc5 3163 3770 4883728+ 83 Linux
/dev/hdc6 3771 4378 4883728+ 83 Linux
/dev/hdc7 4379 4986 4883728+ 83 Linux
/dev/hdc8 4987 5594 4883728+ 83 Linux
/dev/hdc9 5595 6202 4883728+ 83 Linux
/dev/hdc10 6203 6810 4883728+ 83 Linux
/dev/hdc11 6811 7418 4883728+ 83 Linux
/dev/hdc12 7419 8026 4883728+ 83 Linux
/dev/hdc13 8027 8634 4883728+ 83 Linux
/dev/hdc14 8635 9242 4883728+ 83 Linux
/dev/hdc15 9243 9850 4883728+ 83 Linux
I have 60 and 57 partitions in hda and hdc. FC5 itself has been installed in hdc56! How can a LInux can't even display the partition it is residing in fdisk????
FC5 can mount high-number partitions, which wasn't possible with earlier versions, and so this proves its ability
Code:
[root@localhost ~]# mkdir /mnt/hdc57
[root@localhost ~]# mount /dev/hdc57 /mnt/hdc57
[root@localhost ~]# ls /mnt/hdc57
bin dev home lost+found mnt proc sbin success tmp var
boot etc lib media opt root srv sys usr
But it also proves its fdisk program is faulty because the existence of hdc57 substantiates my assertion that I have installed FC5 in hdc56. If Fedora doesn't want to support an IDE disk with up to 63 partitions why bothers to mount it?
In Red Hat family distros, as far as I am aware all of them do it, fdsik doesn't display or operate on an IDE partition higher than 15 (some times 16) I don't even know if this is a fault needed to be reported because of its consistency. The implication is no user can use fdisk on a partition higher than 15 as though such thing never exists. All other distros that I installed DON'T do this truncation. May be Red Hat family isn't *****ious to anticipate there could be 63 partitions in an IDE or they prefer to treat all IDE disks as SCSI disks that cannot have more than 15 partitions. That feature cannot make FC5 the leader of the pack, can it?
I am typing this post with FC5 Bordeaux, listening to the CD music and so it is pretty slick in kick-starting the hardware even though I still can't make it play MP3 yet. The problem 1 in the above is trivial too. However saying it is the leader of the pack is stretching the imagination too far because other distros like Suse, Mandriva... don't have such problems many versions back.
Last edited by saikee; 03-25-2006 at 07:20 AM.
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I would agree that Fedora Core 5 isn't perfect, but it is a major step in the right direction. I don't think the MP3 issue is ever going to be resolved, as they state in the wiki that MP3 support is left out on purpose in order to make the OS truly free.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAQ#he...925234df3c2232
However, it is easy enough to get MP3 support. For instance, just go to the xmms website and download the Fedora Core binary plus whatever plugins you want, and you have MP3 support.
As for myself, I'm still waiting until the new kernel is released that fixes the issue where Fedora Core 5 can't run any non-GPL kernel modules. The kernel is in the testing repository right now, so I'm just waiting for it to be moved to the update repository.
However with all that being said, I'm still keeping my eye on Suse, as it looks like they're trying to do some interesting things as well, and they're also trying to be the leader in desktop Linux.
Last edited by APwrs; 03-26-2006 at 01:43 AM.
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can upgrade using CD without doing reinstall
Originally Posted by Grathrax
Im a newb, so when i do the FC5 upgrade you guys are saying it can be done with rpm files instead of a fresh install?
I'm not using fedora now, but I upgraded from 3 to 4 using the CD. Don't need to do a fresh install. It did seem to take awhile.
At that time, I heard that doing the upgrade using yum could cause problems if you were using LVM, and the CD upgrade method was encouraged. They were trying to get yum to work in the future. Don't know if that is working now.
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The last thing I heard (I don't follow it that closely though), way that it was "recomended to do a clean install". So take that for what its worth. I am sure there are people who have upgraded, personally, I went with the clean install.
Justbill
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In general, a clean install is always the, well, cleanest way to do it.
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After a week of FC5
I find myself not quite as enthused! I still am impressed with the improved speed, and the package manager is nice. Having some trouble with yumex, still not quite sure how to straighten that out!
My biggest issues with FC5 at this point is hardware problems! I HAD a "Soundblaster" in this machine with FC4, that worked well. In FC5, I gave up on it! Nothing I did seemed to work, never could get sound with the soundblaster, and had to go back to onboard sound. So I settled for "second best"! This afternoon I purchased a GeForce FX 5200 video card. Again nothing I did worked getting the video card working. Initially I downloaded the NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-8178-pkg1.run installer from nvidia, and saved it to my home. After some experience installing this same card on Ubuntu 5.10 successfully, and knowing the card had to be installed for the installer to work, I installed the card, and FC5 would not boot! To make this painfully long story a little shorter, I ended up exhuasting severall options, to discover this:
"The kernel that ships with the Fedora Core 5 release iso images is not compatible with third party 3D graphics acceleration drivers. You should immediately update your kernel upon installation to get a newer kernel that is compatible. ("yum -y update" as root.) At the moment a compatible kernel is not available via yum"
So on that I figured it was time to settle for "second best" again, and go back to the onboard graphics. So, do two second bests make a fourth best? I never did understand that math :-).
Maybe I expext too much! I would think the support would be there for common hardware! I am beginning to wonder if this release wasn't rushed out a little premature! I mean the apps, and the speed , and the fresh new look, are all great, but its all cosmetic if the hardware doesn't work!
Just (some random thoughts) Bill
dual booting
win XP & FC5
on a
Compaq Presario SR1426Nx
2.93Ghz Pentium 4
1.5GB Pcr-3200 DDR2 SDRAM
160Gb 7200RPM Serial ATA hard drive
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Love all the exclamation points. I pointed out the kernel issue in one of my earlier posts in this thread. You can currently grab the updated kernel manually through FTP if you so desire, and then install it manually.
As far as the sound card issue goes, if you weren't getting any sound, the first place to check would be alsamixer from the command line. It very well could have been that the volumes were turned down, or the sound channels were muted.
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I should have mentioned that, that was the first thing I checked (been down that road with fc4), and I did need to bring up the volumes. Still no sound! How do I unmute sound channels? I thought that was what I was doing when I brought the volumes up.
Thanks
Justbill
Last edited by justbill; 03-28-2006 at 08:15 AM.
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Did you use the actual alsamixer command line tool, or did you use the volume mixer of whatever desktop you're using?
If you used alsamixer itself, then when you have the sound channel highlighted that you want to work with, hitting m mutes and unmutes it.
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I did use alsamixer from command line. I did not know about hitting "m" , I did not try that. I will give it a try a little later, and post back. Thanks!
Justbill
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well, that didn't work. If I'm not mistaken, in FC4 it detected my card as a different card, and a different driver (it worked in fc4). I believe it was the emu10k1 driver in fc4. I tried to download that driver, but had no luck installing it. Back to onboard sound.
Justbill
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time to UNINSTALL FC5!
I just installed the new kernel, this thing is still buggy, in my mind.
I've got Ubuntu 5.10 on an older machine, and everything just works, nvidia works, soundblaster works, apt-get works.....................yum seems to be having some problems, and if I start talking about nvidia and the soundblaster on this piece of cr@p, well the mods will have to bleep out the strong language.
I put a test release of Ubuntu 6.04 on a buddy of mines computer that worked better than this!
I have really lost my high opinion of fedora after this experience.
Just (disheartened, disillusioned, & disfedora'd) Bill
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Actually, there are ways to fix all of the issues you're experiencing with Fedora Core 5, it's just far too late for me to be able to think clearly enough to explain them all right now. But it looks like you've already made up your mind anyhow.
But, just because something doesn't work for you in Linux doesn't necessarily mean that the software is buggy. It just means you don't have the knowledge of how to get it to work the way you want it to work. You should be careful about declaring things a bug, when really you just need to learn more.
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