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    Blackbelt, there is a Ubuntu based disrtro called Fluxbuntu. It is very light and uses fluxbox by default. It might be what your looking for here is a link.
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    Maybe. Getting Fluxbox onto a distribution was never much of a problem. The problem is that the Kickbox menu is dependent on KDE applications. Fluxbunto doesn't come on a live CD, but that's neither here nort there. These Ubuntu Live trial/installer CDs just aren't meant to run as live CDs.

    I believe I may be very close with iso the Ubuntu server install.. The only remaining problem (I hope) is that the fstab file hasn't carried over. Of course, who knows what problems that could be symptomatic of. I'm burning one of the earlier sucessful live CDs. I'm going to try to port the fstab file from there. If it doesn't work, I might try fluxbuntu, but there's no reason to expect a different outcome,

    There's a problem with isolinux. I'm hoping that the lack of fstab to tell isolinux where to go is the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ph34r
    Many moons ago, there was a thought that linuxnewbie.org (now known as justlinux.com) could provide a simplified distro for the linux newbie. Focus was supposed to be on a simple desktop, and lots of documentation/tutorials/etc included. Its part of what got me into doing a LFS system.

    Never really took off, everyone wanted to get credits but no one really wanted to do any work... finally got a little something going (searching /usr/share/doc, etc) but right at that time the Internet Dot Com Takeover occured, so we all pretty much ditched it.
    Fun times, yea we can make an apache server the document/howto server and you can just browse to them! That 'ell rock! Uhh who's writing the documentation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by panther3e
    Blackbelt, there is a Ubuntu based disrtro called Fluxbuntu. It is very light and uses fluxbox by default. It might be what your looking for here is a link.
    http://fluxbuntu.org/js.html
    Fluxbuntu is weird. The website says that it's a live CD, but when you install it, it's not. It's a traditional installer. Plus it's the only Ubuntu that's still in gutsy. The first time I tried to install it tothe hard drive it went though the whole process without asking me for a username or a password, so I couldn't get into it.

    Okay, I've learned to love Ubuntu, but as a live CD, it's not very good. It's a great concept for a previewer-installer, but I've tried them all now, and not one of them runs worth a damn. I need to move on. I have to learn how to remaster knoppix, or maybe sidux, or kanotix. These CDs already have all of KDE and Fluxbox installed, and they're quite robust. But that means that all my hard-won knowledge of how to remaster Ubuntu is useless. I have to hit the books again. God how I hate that. I've just spent about ten days trying every possible Ubuntu CD, hoping to avoid that. No doubt, figuring out something that actually worked will actually turn out to be easier.
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    While Ubuntu has a broken universal menu system, Debian's "menu" package is wonderfully functional.

    If you use fluxbox in Debian, all software packages are automagically inserted/removed into/from the main menu. That means that whenever you use apt-get or aptitude to install packages, they get automagically added to the menu; whenever you remove them they get automagically removed from the menu.

    Best of all, this universal menu is accessible IN ADDITION TO the menu entries you manually configure. So you get the best of both worlds. You get your personally customized menu entires, and you also get the automagically updated universal menu (in Debian, this same universal menu is also available in IceWM, KDE, GNOME, etc...)

    Use an Ubuntu base, and you have to manually edit the menu. Which is fine, but I'm too lazy for that. I just put a small handful of my favorite applications into a custom menu, and leave the rest to Debian's "menu" package.

    [edit added:]

    P.S., Knoppix is based on Debian, so it has Debian's fully functional universal "menu" package.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IsaacKuo
    While Ubuntu has a broken universal menu system, Debian's "menu" package is wonderfully functional.

    If you use fluxbox in Debian, all software packages are automagically inserted/removed into/from the main menu. That means that whenever you use apt-get or aptitude to install packages, they get automagically added to the menu; whenever you remove them they get automagically removed from the menu.

    Best of all, this universal menu is accessible IN ADDITION TO the menu entries you manually configure. So you get the best of both worlds. You get your personally customized menu entires, and you also get the automagically updated universal menu (in Debian, this same universal menu is also available in IceWM, KDE, GNOME, etc...)

    Use an Ubuntu base, and you have to manually edit the menu. Which is fine, but I'm too lazy for that. I just put a small handful of my favorite applications into a custom menu, and leave the rest to Debian's "menu" package.

    [edit added:]

    P.S., Knoppix is based on Debian, so it has Debian's fully functional universal "menu" package.
    Wow, thats useful information. In fact, I'm no longer mad you for contradicting me. I like editing the menu because it's just better organized, and there are ways to make editing the menu fast and easy thje most important thing is fast access to the files, and that's spelled keyboard shortcuts.

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    If you honestly don't want to have the universal menu, then you can simply not install "menu" and you'll have the same crippled functionality as Ubuntu.

    That way, the only entries in the menu will be the ones you define.

    But with "menu", there's also the "Debian" menu, which does not get in the way of anything you define. This includes keyboard shortcuts.

    Note that keyboard shortcuts are one of IceWM's selling points. IceWM is fully usable without even touching the mouse. http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=5450
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    Quote Originally Posted by IsaacKuo
    If you honestly don't want to have the universal menu, then you can simply not install "menu" and you'll have the same crippled functionality as Ubuntu.

    That way, the only entries in the menu will be the ones you define.

    But with "menu", there's also the "Debian" menu, which does not get in the way of anything you define. This includes keyboard shortcuts.

    Note that keyboard shortcuts are one of IceWM's selling points. IceWM is fully usable without even touching the mouse. http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=5450
    Well, God bless IceWm for that! There's nothing I love more than reaching into the keyboard and pulling up something complicated and preprogrammed with a single keystroke. That's when the interface seems to disappear.

    As far as the fluxbox menus are concerned, It's possible to have it both ways, and one more way besides. My new menu for Knoppix has three submenus for applications.

    1. The first submenu is the Konqueror menus. As I've said before, the central premise of Kickbox is to integrate KDE applications with Fluxbox, especially Konqueror. KIckbox links directly to the menus that are in Konqueror, which you can find in Konqueror by clicking the "Go" button in the toolbar, unless you're using a 'buntu, for some reason. The Konqueror menus are not only self-renewing. They're also graphical, and to a certain extent, editable.

    2. The second submenu is the default Knoppix menu, which is generated by the system. It's not editable, but tucking it inside the Kickbox menu not only makes a a lot of applications easier to find, it preserves the character of Knoppix as the essential hacker's tool. (The Knoppix menu can be used to open IceWM. Sweet, no?)

    3.The third submenu is "favorites", whiich I chose myself, and I provided templates for the user to add his or her own choices.

    4. I made my first attempt at creating a Knoppix-based Kickbox last night and this morning. Something went wrong , and I wound up with an unusable .iso that was about 50 mbs. Oddly enough this is the same thing that happened the first time I tried to make an Ubuntu based Kickbox. I'll get there.

    But I want to take my time with it, so I'm going to go ahead and release the Ubuntu-based Kickbox 1. It probably runs fine if you've got decent hardware, and it'll give anyone an idea of what I'm talking about. The bit-torrent will be announced soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackbelt_jones
    Well, God bless IceWm for that! There's nothing I love more than reaching into the keyboard and pulling up something complicated and preprogrammed with a single keystroke.
    The number of times I've accidentally pulled up something complicated and preprogrammed in IceWM is zero.

    You can configure the keys in IceWM exactly any way you want.
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    No, I mean complicated in a good way... and on purpose. As in a little more complex than just opening an application. Like when I type ctrl -shift-F1, and it opens my menu file, using Kwrite, so I can make fast easy chages to my menu. I'm sure there's a way to do that in gnome, but I bet no one knows what it is.

    Jesus, Issac why do you think I hate your WM so much? Oh, I remember... because I said I did.

    Well I tried to make it clear that I wasn't serious, I was angry because of somethhg personal that really doesn't matter now. "You can configure the keys exactly any way you want." is pretty close to the top pf my list. Hear me saying and not sounding sarcastic: God bless twm for being genourous with the keybindings.

    If the keybindings are found on a text file, I bet I could import my fluxbox shortcuts pretty easily. It would take some searching and replacing with a text editr, that's all.

    I'm feeling less stressed now. My latest attempt at remastering knoppix was enough of a success to ecourage me, and e4nough of a failure. (It came out in German!) to convince me to settle down, and start working slowly and methodically for the long tem.

    Wrote a dumbdumb script to automate the first half of the process. That's what I call it when I take a lot of commands that I don't understand, paste them in a script, and it works just as well without me having to paste them ll in the window one by one. I made a beautiful 16 color bootsplach page. My first one came up looking like someone had covered it with coal dust. Turns out that when they say "16 colors", they mean 16 specific colors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackbelt_jones
    Cool Kickbox! Anybody wanna try my live CD? http://kickboxreleasenotes.blogspot.com/
    Not really, Slax works just fine for me...
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    Nothing wrong with Slax, and thanks for the reply. I was wondering what you would do in particular.

    I thought I was going to have my CD out by now, in fact I thought it was ready. that was before I tested it. I should have tested it before I opened my mouth in here. I jumped the gun-- and for that, I deserve all the rasberries. I'm starting to get a sense of the long term now. It's going to take weeks, maybe months.

    Why shouldn't I? Because it'll cut into my gaming and porno time? It could certainly be a failure-- though ("failure is usually when you lose all youir money" So far all I've invested is 25 bucks for a new HD case.) but how could it not be edifying and fun?

    The point of it as a focus for me to write a blog where I can teach people basic command line stuff. Fluxbox is a great place to use shell commands. I'm going to create text files, and, no, they won't be rocket science, and then I'm going to write about how the text files work, and people will have the disk so they can see for themselves... and then I'm going to invite people to contribute, and I'm going to post their work on the site, and maybe include it in the CD.

    Pretty gutsy of me, eh? Where do I get the nerve?

    And it's not really aimed at smart guys like psych-major and darkbolt. You guys should probably stay away. Please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackbelt_jones
    After lots and lots of work, whole days spent at the kb, it's finally... finished? No, I think the word is "started". It's finally started.

    I'm running it through the chroot one more time, and I think it'll be available as a bit torrent tonight or tomorrow.
    I wrote that two weeks ago. It was a much simpler time. I was young and naive.

    Anyway, forget I mentioned it. I'll bring it up again if I ever finish. I think that should be roughly the first half Obama's second term.



    I gotta hit the books.
    Last edited by blackbelt_jones; 05-31-2008 at 06:49 PM.

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