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How do you skip the partition section and just install "HERE"?
Like the title says...
My HD is partitioned the way I want it and I want to install the distro "Here" but the installer won't let me, regardless whatever I click, and forces you to RE-partition what you ALREADY have setup there by destroying everything you have done... WTF???
Last edited by noidly1; 12-12-2014 at 04:42 PM.
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Do you know a partition when created is blank but has a partition type number?
For Windows using NTFS filing system it is type 7 whereas for Linux it is Type 83 suitable for various filing system.
If you have created a partition Type 7 Linux cannot be installed inside because its installer think you may have a reason for it. Linux is therefore pretty safe as it does not reside in a partition not belonging to itself.
You can, as in Windows, delete the existing partitions, and re-create a set for Linux using a Linux installer or a Live CD.
Linux supports over 100 partition types whereas Windows support no more than half a dozen. Below are the partition types used in a PC.
Code:
0 Empty 24 NEC DOS 81 Minix / old Lin bf Solaris
1 FAT12 27 Hidden NTFS Win 82 Linux swap / So c1 DRDOS/sec (FAT-
2 XENIX root 39 Plan 9 83 Linux c4 DRDOS/sec (FAT-
3 XENIX usr 3c PartitionMagic 84 OS/2 hidden C: c6 DRDOS/sec (FAT-
4 FAT16 <32M 40 Venix 80286 85 Linux extended c7 Syrinx
5 Extended 41 PPC PReP Boot 86 NTFS volume set da Non-FS data
6 FAT16 42 SFS 87 NTFS volume set db CP/M / CTOS / .
7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT 4d QNX4.x 88 Linux plaintext de Dell Utility
8 AIX 4e QNX4.x 2nd part 8e Linux LVM df BootIt
9 AIX bootable 4f QNX4.x 3rd part 93 Amoeba e1 DOS access
a OS/2 Boot Manag 50 OnTrack DM 94 Amoeba BBT e3 DOS R/O
b W95 FAT32 51 OnTrack DM6 Aux 9f BSD/OS e4 SpeedStor
c W95 FAT32 (LBA) 52 CP/M a0 IBM Thinkpad hi eb BeOS fs
e W95 FAT16 (LBA) 53 OnTrack DM6 Aux a5 FreeBSD ee GPT
f W95 Ext'd (LBA) 54 OnTrackDM6 a6 OpenBSD ef EFI (FAT-12/16/
10 OPUS 55 EZ-Drive a7 NeXTSTEP f0 Linux/PA-RISC b
11 Hidden FAT12 56 Golden Bow a8 Darwin UFS f1 SpeedStor
12 Compaq diagnost 5c Priam Edisk a9 NetBSD f4 SpeedStor
14 Hidden FAT16 <3 61 SpeedStor ab Darwin boot f2 DOS secondary
16 Hidden FAT16 63 GNU HURD or Sys af HFS / HFS+ fb VMware VMFS
17 Hidden HPFS/NTF 64 Novell Netware b7 BSDI fs fc VMware VMKCORE
18 AST SmartSleep 65 Novell Netware b8 BSDI swap fd Linux RAID auto
1b Hidden W95 FAT3 70 DiskSecure Mult bb Boot Wizard hid fe LANstep
1c Hidden W95 FAT3 75 PC/IX be Solaris boot ff BBT
1e Hidden W95 FAT1 80 Old Minix
The trick to install multi OS on a PC is to have a partition that is native to the OS and you will find its installer would sink its teeth into it would not let go.
Last edited by saikee; 12-12-2014 at 05:30 PM.
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The partitions were formatted in ext3. The distro refused to use them.
The installer said "do not use" which baffels me cause it is a known linux file format.
Last edited by noidly1; 12-13-2014 at 01:36 AM.
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Originally Posted by noidly1
The partitions were formatted in ext3. The distro refused to use them.
The installer said "do not use" which baffels me cause it is a known linux file format.
Well I have never seen a Linux installer refuses to use a partition specified by me.
For a new installation there is no need to format the partition because it is far neater to allow the installer to carry out this task. Except small distros, like Puppy that actually asks the partition preformatted, most installers do not trust the users making the right procedure.
In any case a user can ask an existing formatted partition to be used for installation in Linux but this can be risky. SUch arrangement can confuse the installer on the new files having the same filenames/parameters in the existing folders in designated locations. It will be difficult for an installer to make the correct decisions to overwrite some and/or keep the others. What is the purpose of a user wanting to keep the existing information? Thus a "dirty" install should be avoided whenever possible or don't blame the installer if it doesn't work.
A standard sequence in a distro like the Ubuntu family is just
Tell the installer that the user will select own arragement and not the default mrthods
Hightlight the partition to be used for the installation
Click to have it formatted
select the filing system desired
and go to make tea as the installation should be ready when return
If you put an OS in a partition the intention is to let it reside there exclusively. So if you have formatted the partition before you can let the installer to format it again without any consequence. It only takes a few seconds. A "clean" install is also an error-free install, say for 98% in my experience.
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Idk. must be a debian thang.
I started out with a blank sheet.
1st primary partition, from 513kb to 24mb to cylinder,(23.5mb) fat16, for a data part to put a copy of grub to play with.
2nd primary partition 8gb ext3 for debian.
3rd primary partition 2gb swap for debian.
4th primary partition 8gb fat32 for xp.
Go figure...
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The curiosity got hold of me so I download Debian 7.7.0 i387 DVD1.
The installtion took 20 minutes and I am using Debian's Iceweasel to answer this thread.
I select Graphic install from the installer first menu.
Thereafter I was asked to select the lanugage, location and keyboard which is UK for me in all cases.
The installer then went ahead to detect the hard disks & hardware, returning to claim one of my hardware has no driver. I just ignored it and got the network configured successfully with eth1.
I was then invited to set up the Root password, create an ordinary user accout and its password. Pretty standard for every Linux.
When it came to installing into the hard disk there were 4 choices
(1) Use the entire hard disk (No OS worth the entire hard disk)
(2) Use entire hard disk with LVM (not for me)
(3) Use entire hard disk with encrypted LVM (my work doesn't need such security)
(4) Manually (This is the one I selected always)
I have sda1 to sda3 as primary, sda5 is a wap and two spare sda6 & sda7. At start I have only Mint17 installed in sda1 using swap sda5. Sda5 has 1G while all the others has 100G space in my 500Gb SSD.
To install Debian I highlighted sda2, click this partition and selected Ext4 for its formatting.
As usual the user needs to select how this partition will be mouted for. I select / which is the root filing system. This is the simplest. I then select "Finish Partitioning & write changes to disk".
As usual the installer asked one more time for confirmation as once confirmed the installation would begin.
20 minutes later I had Debian installed. Its Grub took over the MBA of sda and boot both my Mint and the new Debain.
The root terminal output of "fdisk -l" show my hdd layout as
Code:
root@debian770:/home/saikee# fdisk -l
WARNING: GPT (GUID Partition Table) detected on '/dev/sdb'! The util fdisk doesn't support GPT. Use GNU Parted.
Disk /dev/sdb: 4000.8 GB, 4000787030016 bytes
256 heads, 63 sectors/track, 484501 cylinders, total 7814037168 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 4096 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x00000000
Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/sdb1 1 4294967295 2147483647+ ee GPT
Partition 1 does not start on physical sector boundary.
Disk /dev/sda: 512.1 GB, 512110190592 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 62260 cylinders, total 1000215216 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x000cf5ea
Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/sda1 * 2048 200000000 99998976+ 83 Linux
/dev/sda2 200000001 400000001 100000000+ 83 Linux
/dev/sda3 400000002 600000002 100000000+ 83 Linux
/dev/sda4 600002049 1000215215 200106583+ 5 Extended
/dev/sda5 600002051 600022051 10000+ 82 Linux swap / Solaris
/dev/sda6 600024100 800024100 100000000+ 83 Linux
/dev/sda7 800026149 1000215215 100094533+ 83 Linux
root@debian770:/home/saikee#
The mount filing systems can be seen by command "df"
Code:
root@debian770:/home/saikee# df
Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
rootfs 98430852 3629928 89800924 4% /
udev 10240 0 10240 0% /dev
tmpfs 1246972 792 1246180 1% /run
/dev/disk/by-uuid/c6abef32-3d1f-4a29-9fb2-c77463a40796 98430852 3629928 89800924 4% /
tmpfs 5120 0 5120 0% /run/lock
tmpfs 2495920 148 2495772 1% /run/shm
The command "ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid" shows my sda2 has been mount as the root (/)
Code:
root@debian770:/home/saikee# ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/
total 0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Dec 14 16:48 004fb241-630b-41c6-8dfe-fb2796a9290b -> ../../sda1
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Dec 14 16:48 9EA29813A297EE51 -> ../../sdb2
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Dec 14 16:48 c6abef32-3d1f-4a29-9fb2-c77463a40796 -> ../../sda2
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Dec 14 16:48 d831db24-ac85-46f7-85f8-6397a67201ea -> ../../sda5
Everything works as expected.
It has always been the God given right for every user to be able to tell a Linux installer which partition to be used for installation.
Last edited by saikee; 12-16-2014 at 09:29 PM.
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Ok. I didn't realize there were choices for the choices on the partition pages until I just started clicking on everything.
I just thought there were only "those" choices, not that the choices had their own choices. Got it now. Debian installed fine.
Only thing is I don't see a choice were to put the swap partition, which I'll discuss later...
New problem, I used PowerQuest PartitionMagic to create the partitions. Good so far. I used Gparted Live to confirm everything, All ok.
Once I had Debian installed on the partition I wanted it, it automatically used the swap partition, a primary, I had created for it.(on the same drive) COOL...
Just to be sure all was well, I rebooted with PartitionMagic to check things out. It is giving me a Partition Table Error #114 (bad drive).
That scared me so I rebooted with Gparted Live and it shows all is well. Hmm...
So, If PartitionMagic shows the drive as bad, then that drive will not be visible to other Win OS's on other drives, which is not good.
I have to get that part figured out before I can go any further with my build.
Working with DOS and Win is not a problem for me but Linux is whole nother animal...
If I can get Linux figured out with the install so it doesn't corrupt the drive so DOS or Win can see it, all would be Grand...
Just curious, do you think having Grub installed is the cause of the partition ERROR???
Thanks.
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Partition Magic is known as Partition Tragic by many non-WIndows users.
This software has no ability to handle Linux partitions so it always reports error and attempt to something it has no knowledge of.
Do not trust this software and never do things it offers because it damages/destroys the hard disk partitions if take up its advice. Partition Magic is a Windows software so it has no intelligence how other OSes use the hard disks. For years I had Linux doing 64 partitions in one hard disk but this software thought it is an error because it has never seem anything like it.
When it comes to partitioning Linux is miles ahead. If youi have trouble with a hard disk it will be eventually rejected by the operating system. Up to a point Linux can still read your hard disk and savage your data when Winodws have long given up.
It is not a good idea to use two different partitioning tools from different operating systems. This is because Windows by default creates partition in units of MB while Linux now defaults to sectors. At one time Linux used cylinder as partition unit and in general allow the user to specify the partition in a variety of units. It is therefore possible that one operating system may complain the partition boundary, created by another OS, have empty space. This does not affect the computer working but may give stupid software like Partition Tragic an excuse to do something it does not understand.
Last edited by saikee; 12-16-2014 at 09:21 PM.
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