New Linux OS

**MMA** · 03-10-2003, 02:19 PM

Originally posted by bwkaz
Early 2.5 kernels are very likely not a great idea; there were stability issues early on, and IDE issues as well on quite a few chipsets due to the IDE / block layer rewrite.

AFAIK something like 2.5.39 or 2.5.43 should work well enough, but then, just because it worked (aka booted) for me doesn't mean it's ready for production...

Then again, the nVidia drivers WILL NOT work with kernel 2.5 without some unsupported patches, so you're cutting out a decently-large chunk of users right there (myself for one).

I'd say waiting for 2.6 might be a better idea. Initial releases might have a couple of issues, but for some reason I think it'll be better than 2.5.

Good point. Alright then.

lets stick with 2.4.*. Will go for the latest, which is 2.4.20 at the time of writing this.

**Resident_Geek** · 03-10-2003, 03:55 PM

I could help with the coding if you need me to. I'm a pretty good C programmer, a little short on experience, but I learn quickly. I've never done anything serious, never helped with any open-source projects either, so I'll be a little slow at first. But this sounds pretty cool, and I'd like to help.

**yinrunning** · 03-10-2003, 04:26 PM

Trememndous. That gives us... three so far? and plenty willing to learn, from what I've read. Including myself. And that's just on justlinux.

oubipaws · 03-10-2003, 05:09 PM

GRUB
LILO

Kernel 2.4.20 (changed from 2.5.2)
XFree86 4.2.0

Gnome 2.2
Kde 3.1
Window Maker (w/ blackbox and fluxbox)
3D WM

GCC 3.2
Perl 5.8.0

Emacs 21.2
Gimp 1.2.3

Mozilla 1.0.1
Opera Bork Edition 7

a few games of peoples choice (my choice --> defendguin) :P

MySQL / Apache / PHP

Wine (newest stable build)
Bochs (newest stable build)

Eterm (version ?)
Xterm (version ?)
Bash 2.05a

XMMS (version ?)
XMovie (version ?)
Xine (version ?)
Mplayer (version ?)

XBasic (version ?)
KDevelop (version ?)

Comments:
~ Changed kernel version from 2.5.2 to 2.4.20 as suggested.. once 2.6 comes out I would like to try it though and see how it works
~ Added MooktaKING's suggested programs

Questions:
~ MooktaKING suggested KDE sound server, Arts... Anyone disagree, agree?

Question to Bwkaz --> Can we use your web server as a temp webserver for a while and once we get a account somewhere, move everything over?

** I have a more in depth list coming this evening with most of the required files on it **

oubipaws · 03-10-2003, 05:35 PM

Base Installation Files:
Bash-2.05a
Binutils-2.13
Bzip2-1.0.2
Diffutils-2.8.1
Fileutils-4.1
Findutils-4.1
Gawk-3.1.1
GCC-3.2
Grep-2.5
Gzip-1.2.4a
Make-3.79.1
Patch-2.5.4
Sed-3.02
Sh-utils-2.0
Tar-1.13
Texinfo-4.2
Textutils-2.1
Util-linux-2.11u
Linux-Kernel-2.4.20
Man-pages-1.52
Glibc-2.2.5
GCC-3.2
Zlib-1.1.4
Findutils-4.1
Gawk-3.1.1
Ncurses-5.2
Vim-6.1
Bison-1.35
Less-374
Groff-1.18
Textutils-2.1
Sed-3.02
Flex-2.5.4a
Binutils-2.13
Fileutils-4.1
Sh-utils-2.0
Gettext-0.11.5
Net-tools-1.60
Perl-5.8.0
Linux threads-2.2.5 man pages
M4-1.4
Texinfo-4.2
Autoconf-2.53
Automake-1.6.3
Bash-2.05a
File-3.39
Libtool-1.4.2
Bin86-0.16.3
Bzip2-1.0.2
Ed-0.2
Kbd-1.06
Diffutils-2.8.1
E2fsprogs-1.27
Grep-2.5
Gzip-1.2.4a
Man-1.5k
Make-3.79.1
Modutils-2.4.19
Netkit-base-0.17
Patch-2.5.4
Procinfo-18
Procps-2.0.7
Psmisc-21
Shadow-4.0.3
Sysklogd-1.4.1
Sysvinit-2.84
Tar-1.13
Util-linux-2.11u
XFree86 4.2.0

Graphical User Interfaces:
Gnome 2.2
Kde 3.1
Window Maker (w/ blackbox and fluxbox)
3D WM

Graphics:
Gimp 1.2.3

Internet:
Mozilla 1.0.1
Opera Bork Edition 7

Games:
a few games of peoples choice (my choice --> defendguin) :P

Server:
MySQL / Apache / PHP

Windows Emulation:
Wine (newest stable build)
Bochs (newest stable build)

Entertainment:
XMMS (version ?)
XMovie (version ?)
Xine (version ?)
Mplayer (version ?)

Development:
XBasic (version ?)
KDevelop (version ?)

Terminals:
Eterm 0.92
Xterm (version ?)

WE NEED MAILING LISTS

Anybody know where we can get free one? and we need forums, but as soon as we have a web server, I can upload one of mine that I have built or we can use a already made one...

still looking for more files to add to the list, as i said before, either post them or you can email me: oubipaws@myrealbox.com

**StaticDischarge** · 03-10-2003, 06:18 PM

I can do some C programming if you really need me to...

Be warned though, I only know the basics and am not very fast with it...

But I am a quick learner and am in the process of teaching myself...

Also I am going to ITT Tech for programming in September, which could provide me with a lot of resources. But it's not until september.

In the meantime I may be able to scrounge up a box, or at least and extra hard drive and my existing box, to install it on. It wont be the greatest though, and the hard drive wont be over a few gigs at the most. I do have a lot of space on my current HD if I can get it to Dual...I mean Triple boot.

Just let me know what you need...

**Chadduss** · 03-10-2003, 07:07 PM

wow this all sounds very interesting. Since the idea has changed a bit can someone please tell me exactly what this will be now?

Thanks

**MMA** · 03-10-2003, 07:17 PM

Originally posted by Chadduss
wow this all sounds very interesting. Since the idea has changed a bit can someone please tell me exactly what this will be now?

Thanks

An Operating System with a Linux kernel. It will be full of all the Opensource programs outthere. It will be free. Some of the 'wild' ideas we have, which hasn't been tried before, is to have a 3D desktop, or something like that.

If you read all my 'I WANT's' you'll see my other wild ideas

**Chadduss** · 03-10-2003, 07:21 PM

Oh ok I see. So you're just making a new Linux Distro? What about the VMWare included with it as I've read. Will this be free and are you thinking about incorporating it into the Distro?

**MMA** · 03-10-2003, 07:53 PM

Originally posted by Chadduss
Oh ok I see. So you're just making a new Linux Distro? What about the VMWare included with it as I've read. Will this be free and are you thinking about incorporating it into the Distro?

Ofcourse not. (i don't remember anyone mensioning vmware?

).

I think he meant when you want to test the distro, its easier to use vmware, instead of rebooting all the time etc.

**yinrunning** · 03-10-2003, 07:59 PM

exactly. And we're kinda hoping it'll someday at least make some donation money or something like that. Be a self-sufficient project.

**bwkaz** · 03-10-2003, 08:18 PM

Couple of things:

Originally posted by oubipaws
XFree86 4.2.0

Why not 4.3.0? I haven't tried it myself, but I don't see any reason not to use it. RandR (Resize and Rotate -- you can really change resolutions now, at runtime!) should be cool too.

a few games of peoples choice (my choice --> defendguin) :P

Hmm... tuxracer would be cool. Defendguin, as you said, would be as well. So would lbreakout2. So would chromium. And the entire kdegames package, of course.

Xterm (version ?)

That gets compiled with X, so don't worry about the version.

Mplayer (version ?)

Just grab the latest CVS and do some minimal testing. Should work.

Question to Bwkaz --> Can we use your web server as a temp webserver for a while and once we get a account somewhere, move everything over?

Sure, no problem. PM me with your (or whoever's) IP address and the password you want to use, and I'll set up the firewall to allow ssh+sftp+scp from you so you can actually update the site.

**MMA** · 03-10-2003, 09:04 PM

Fantastic were heading somewhere. We have a server people.

Now what do we do? hhmm, i never did anything like this before

**yinrunning** · 03-10-2003, 09:33 PM

Yay! webspace.

I better finish formatting the site.

And good that we have people involved who know where to start. I'll learn everything I can to contribute, but I have no clue where to start.

oubipaws · 03-10-2003, 11:25 PM

Newest Info...

ok heres how we can do the server cituation... yinrunning, you setup a website with bwkaz and we will leave it there untill he graduates, I'm going to try and work with a guy who just emailed me to set up an actual server for Dux. Instead of getting a sourceforge or sunsite account right now, we will just host it our selves, and hopefully this will work for a while.. Once we actually get this thing going maybe we will get some bigger sponsors to host it

The guy who emailed me is offering like 6.5 gb and I'm going to try and help him get his box set up with support for ssh, ftp, sendmail, and whatever else may be needed.

XFree86 4.3.0 --> we will try this and see how it works

VmWare --> yeah i meant for beta testing, but hey wouldn't it be awesome if somewhere down the line we could be sponsored by the creators of vmware and include it in the os

next steps...
~ website up and running
~ people need to start advertising Dux

I'm going to go email the guy now about the server..

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